More Bad News about Kooday
Several people are very angry with me over my comments about Kooday.
A couple people complained that I called it PPC. Sorry about that. Let’s call it PPK. It’s a new business model so not sure what to call it. You aren’t paying per click but like PPC you are buying keywords. If you don’t want me to call it PPC or PPK you tell me what to call it and I’ll start calling it that.
I stand by my judgment that Kooday is at least a rip off if not a downright scam. They are at least selling a product that doesn’t exist. They are at least exhibiting some suspicious behavior that you should be wary of.
No one has refuted my statement that Kooday doesn’t HAVE a search engine yet. Yes they are selling keywords but they don’t have a search engine yet.
All you have to do to have a search engine is license an existing search engine. There are companies out there that specialize in this. I saw an advertisement earlier for a company that licenses search engine software starting at $350 a month. What I don’t understand is how can they be selling ads for a product that doesn’t exist yet? Shouldn’t it be easy for them to have a search engine? Don’t they have the money to license some software? Sure the $350 software might not work for them, but the point is that there are options available!
A few people told me that Kooday allows refunds. This led me to do further investigation. Kooday’s terms of service say :
Kooday has the right to amend or add to our terms and conditions as it deems necessary and can enforce changes that affect its business plans at any time. Due to the type of services that Kooday offers no refunds will be given. If your account has been terminated because of infractions of our terms or conditions then no refund will be given.
There are a couple of concerning elements there. You can mantain the rights to change the agreement but you have to state how users will be notified of the change. You also should include contact information. If you look at some of the web site approval services these are things they require that are suspiciously absent from Kooday’s terms and conditions.
Second of all Kooday says in their terms and conditions that they do not allow refunds. That seems to go against what everyone else is saying about Kooday allowing refunds. At the very least it shows that Kooday could change their policy at any time since you’ve agreed to the terms and conditions that say you are not able to get refunds.
Where is the privacy policy? No record of a privacy policy at all. So what are they going to do with my information when I sign up? Are they going to sell my information? Why isn’t there a privacy policy? Why is there only a terms and conditions/terms of service?
Another concerning thing about Kooday is they lack contact information on their web site. If this was a legitimate business they’d have customer support information, contact information, a link to their helpdesk, and even a toll-free number. Heck I’m a one man show and I even put my phone number, skype, email, etc on my web site.
Why when I click the about Kooday button does it only take me to a sales page pitching me on buying keywords? Why doesn’t it have any information on the company, the founders, etc?
Am I the only one that finds these things disturbing about Kooday?
Maybe Kooday is totally legitimate. Maybe they just are new business people. Maybe these are issues they aren’t aware of.
Are you really sure you want to promote them? Are you sure you want to associate your name and reputation with a company that has this many risk factors?
Not me. I agree with Janet Legere. I’d rather wait 6 months to see how this pans out. If it is a legitimate business I can still hop on board 6 months from now. I can still buy some long tail keywords.
Disagree? I’d love to hear your opinion.
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Hi Ben very much agree they should be far more transparent how hard can it be to do some simple branding and get there real personal names out there to build real trust, if they are hoping to get people to invest so they can build there search engine they are not going the correct way about it to get investors did google, twitter or facebook seek investors like this so called Kooday? l think not but l am willing to be proven wrong!
PS. Same can be said for Aaachoo thats been promoted heavy, where is the real people behind these so called business?
They are all nonresponsive to emails tickets etc. They recently held a call stating they were going to switch from paypal to alert pay because paypal couldnt handle such volume that they produce. Hmmm really… I dont know about that one. Also when You ask for customer service number from the people who hosts the calls. They dont know them…How strange. I was in the middle of buying my keywords trying to become a kooday diamond when they switched form paypal to altertpay. This totally screwed up my process because my alertpay account begins with a negative balance. I would have to fund it $300 in order to then start buying keywords. I think ill will contact paypal and wash my hands of this deal. I think you guys are pretty much right on this one.
Who gives an monkeys what you think, if you don’t like kooday then fuck off and find something you do like. Don;t domment on something you don’t understand.
I take it you lot were terminated so you have the asshole, lol Fuck off, Loosers. If you all had half a brain you would take the time to find out why there is no search engine out there, i will not waist my time here explaining this and also if this was a scan why do i get paid every week visit weww.kooday.co.uk to get paid and enjoy your sad poor lives.
“You aren’t paying per click but like PPC you are buying keywords.”
your an idiot ben. you dont even know the difference, do you?
If you think about it…
Buying keywords is far worse than Pay Per Click.
With Pay Per Click you are paying only if you advertisement gets clicked. If your ad isn’t effective or if you pick keywords that aren’t clicked very often you don’t pay.
With Kooday paying per keyword you’re paying regardless of whether or not your advertisement gets clicked. If you’re buying advertisements on a search engine that has no searches you are getting NO CLICKS but you are still PAYING for keywords.
You’re hoping someone else wants to buy the same keyword so you can make money. You certainly aren’t getting traffic from Kooday.
Where are all the stories of people receiving hundreds or thousands of visitors from the keywords they’ve bought?
I find it quite funny how inaccurate this post is. Do Kooday have a search engine, well they say they have and it is set for release on 30Sep10. So I guess you will know then.
As for refunds I think you need to read into it a bit further. THe Paypal issue caused a problem and Kooday has gone oput of it’s way trying to help people around that. They had a seperate contact to help people get a refund through paypal so they could deposit it back through Alertpay. Nobody had to do it as they would have the Alertpay negative balance reversed after the 6 months if they didn’t. This was to prevent fraud and although it was an annoyance something had to be done.
Kooday has been quite transparent and answered questions on the conference calls even when they were particularly stupid questions that people should have already known.
I’m not saying Kooday will succeed to expectations. I hope they do as it will make a lot of people a lot of money including myself. I just think that they would be stupid to try to scam people as they will make far less money than they will if this even halfway succeeds.
Hi everyone, I am a kooday fan and think they need a little more work until they get to perfection, i.e a new website look would really make the difference and one is on the way, As far as buying keywords, this i am sure will soon come to an end as this was an idea to just get the website off the ground i could be wrong, once they launch their new search that google stole from them som eweeks ago when they were too busy to keep the support tickets answered. oh well i hope things work out soon. i am now a diamond and waiting for the big payout called the snap shot bonus.
ye ha.
There are two types of people in this world players and spectators and ben i am affraid you are a spectator i am a player, I have also spent a great deal of money on another company about to launch a telecoms service that will revolutionise the way we talk to each other.
I won’t tell you who ans you are only a spectator.
Thank you for your comments.
No one can prove any of my comments wrong. Kooday is selling hope and false promises.
Kooday is currently a ponzi scheme. You are buying and selling/renting keywords for a search engine that doesn’t exist. You have been buying and selling air for months now.
They have to launch their search engine before they can be considered “legitimate”.
All of these issues still exist and nothing has been done about them:
Kooday still doesn’t have their contact information on their public web site. I’m not talking about the private area for members. It still isn’t public information about who runs the company. There is still no way for someone who isn’t a member yet to get support. There is still no way to contact the company unless you are a member.
The terms and conditions still say they do not have to give refunds.
As far as a player vs spectator? Come on man. You’re argument is dumb. The reason I don’t have to jump on Kooday and can wait 6 months to see if it is legitimate is because I already make a full time income working online. I don’t have to jump on every little opportunity out there to make a quick buck. My reputation is worth more than that to me and my long term ability to make income online. People like you Malcolm are only interested in a fast buck and you’ll move on to Schnaap or some other just launched “opportunity” soon enough.
It’s no problem if you don’t join Kooday, Ben. But really you clearly haven’t deepened yourself in the world of Kooday. Here’s some answers for you.
1. The owner of Kooday is Brian Lindback. Yep not the guy with the cleanest slate, I agree with you on that one.
2. Kooday has received an amazing amount of questions and feedback that it is impossible for them to react to everything. More so since the troubles with PayPal and Alertpay. Kooday staff members had to be restructured to make sure the switch could be done. This set them back a few weeks in development.
3.Yep, I’d like to connect my name to Kooday. If it’s the new google and people know me very well, then that’s great. If Kooday is a failure nobody would know Kooday in 10 years let alone my name in connection with Kooday.
4. Kooday has been incorporated a few days ago. This shows that Kooday is really a baby that is about to grow up. Meaning that all legal paperwork and documentation, including privacy policy and TOS will probably be reviewed by the lawyers.
5. ETC ETC ETC.
I hope you understand my English. It’s not my first language.
There is a real person and he returns calls when there is a question that is a high level question. There current marketing is similar to other ‘Not yet launched” products, check them out. Their search engine will not work like any other search engine so licensing on will not work. The uniqueness is part of the appeal for users and advertisers.
I have put a lot of time in, but not so much cash. I have actually already gotten that much back in the profit share. Why now versus 6 months from now? The snapshot bonus that is why. It won’t be available in 6 months.
We will see if it pays out, but I have invested in a likelihood and not much money to get in.
I’m afraid Ben you’ve missed out on a really good opportunity with Kooday. Although you will still be able to join & make great money, once Kooday launches its search engine on Oct 22. As far as getting the information you desire, all you have to do is sign up FREE & you are a member. And then you can have access to all of the information you are saying that Kooday does not provide. You don’t have to invest any $ to become a member. In fact, you don’t have to invest any money to earn, if you just promoted the business and earned from your referrals. You can check out more info regarding Kooday @ Koodayus.com. It is an unofficial blog of Kooday’s that explains everything that has and will be going on with Kooday.
Kooday has been forthcoming with answers posed by its members. I pray for Kooday’s success, as they are doing something no other search engine has done and that’s pay its members part of its revenue for helping to get them started. No, they don’t have a search engine yet as they are still developing it themselves from scratch. This is why they have not paid to get a license to use someone else’s format. They are being unique and innovative & creating a their own innovative platform. Their business plan is genius. They don’t want to be like everyone else (Google, Bing, etc.).
I am happy I invested what little cash I did to get in on the snap-shot bonus. Kooday has said all along that this bonus was contingent upon their success as a search engine. They are in beta and still in the development stage, as I’m sure Google & other search engines had to do the same when they first started out. I’ll bet Google wouldn’t share any of its revenue with members, because they are too greedy.
I’m sorry that you didn’t have the insight that many of us had to join Kooday in its beginning stages. I believe that you have missed out on a great opportunity from being one of its founding members and receiving a possible bonus of $1 mil. If Kooday is successful, they will pay these bonuses out to those of us who had faith with them that this would be a success. They have kept us in the loop on all of their decisions. And I applaud them for waiting and doing the snap-shot when they said they would, instead of doing it earlier to prevent more people from reaching the Gold & Diamond statuses, and therefore costing them more $ than they had originally set aside to pay members. They didn’t anticipate Kooday’s overwhelming growth.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as you certainly are. We all know the risks of getting on board with a startup such as this, but yet we are willing to take that risk. Anyone running a business or involved in one takes risks everyday. Kooday is now a corporation, has overcome their Paypal issues and is now paying people out via Alertpay when they request a payout, as long as they have at least a $5 balance.
I stick by Kooday & I’m happy to be associated with them. I consider this opportunity a blessing and thank Kooday for creating such an opportunity in economic times such as this. This is not a PPC, it is a profit share, ad revenue based payment plan. It’s much like a stock plan. People take risks in the stock market and this is no different. I’m along for the long haul & glad I secured a great bonus that will make a great impact in the lives of me and my family. Kooday pays its members every week for shares owned and I have made back my small investment several times over. So, technically we are all stockholders in this business. And that involves risks as any stockholder in a corporate business knows.
So, I wish you well in your endeavors Ben. And I’m sure you will be hearing a great deal more about Kooday’s success in the very near future. The launch date of their actual search engine is now only days off and then they will prove to everyone their intentions.
God bless you.
I thought Kooday’s search engine was supposed to have launched already. Every time someone tells me they are launching a search engine Kooday misses the date!
I wait with baited breath for October 22nd to see Kooday launch.
Even if they do FINALLY launch a search engine on October 22nd… here is the real issue.
Will ANYONE use Kooday to search? What will they do to get people to search Kooday? What will they do to get people to stop using Google, Bing, and Yahoo and come to Kooday?
If no one searches then no one will see your ads. If no one sees your ads no one will click through on your links to visit your web sites.
Everyone who is selling Kooday is selling the money. No one is talking about driving traffic to their web site. No one is talking about driving sales to their web site.
THAT is why people buy search engine ads. Not because of a business opportunity.
I do not care about missing an opportunity to earn profit sharing from Kooday. I care about recommending good products to people.
Everyone on Kooday is buying and selling adspace. That is what is being sold is ad space. They are not a search engine yet. They don’t have anyone searching. They don’t have anyone clicking on ads. They don’t have any traffic.
Are you ok with that? Are you ok with buying and reselling ads for a service that no one is seeing?
To ME that feels like fraud. To ME that feels like a scam and is not anything I want to associate my name with.
If they launch a new search engine and get a few million people to search every month, I’ll gladly not only recant my claims but I’ll buy some ad space.
Well, get ready, because that’s exactly what you’ll be doing is recanting your statements and buying ad space. LOL!!!!!! And I can’t wait for your recant.
Again, Kooday is in beta. Everything that you are griping about is their expected end. Kooday already has a lot of activity on their site, either through members buying and selling or just curious onlookers. Kooday has hinted at the fact that they have advertisers that are interested in advertising on their site, as soon as the launch takes place. Right now it is a biz op for those getting in at the beginning. Kooday likes to think of those of us who are with them as being the ones who have created and built up their data base with keywords. So, in actuality we are being paid for that service.
If you would just take the time to go to the resource I supplied in my earlier post, you would learn exactly what Kooday’s concept is. But you seem to just want to speculate about it, and not read from the source and get the info you crave. So, until you do that, you will remain unconvinced. I’m CONVINCED because I did do my homework and I have personally been on a call and spoken to one of the founders Mark Huhtala. And he strikes me as an honest person, who along with other members of his team have come up with a concept that will help people that are going through hard economic times. They have a vision of rewarding those of us who have helped them. They realize that their greatest asset is PEOPLE. And a search engine powered by the PEOPLE is what will make them successful.
Again, if you would read info from the source, you would know that Kooday’s launch date was always set at before or by Oct 22nd. I’m not sure why other people tried to set in stone these other launch dates, but from the beginning that was always their target date. I have no need to doubt them, as they have stayed true to their word about everything they said they would do. They have been nothing but honest with those of us who have asked some honest questions. If you read the Kooday.us blog, you would find that they have posted and answered a lot of the questions that members have asked through their support ticket system. They became too overwhelmed with questions to answer on an individual level. And so, one of their associates created this blog to answer and allay people’s concerns.
Again, to me it seems as if you just want to base your opinions on yours and others misunderstandings. Again, I ask you to read the blog and if you are still not convinced, then call Mark himself. He has always made himself available to answer questions. His name and number are also given on this site. I educated myself, so that I could make an informed decision. I ask you to do the same, but again the choice to join or not join is entirely up to you. I have an ad on Kooday that gets many hits. You don’t have to wait until they launch to advertise on there. In fact, after they launch the advertisement space will go up. Better to get ad space at $15 a month now, than later at a higher rate.
The good thing about their advertising is that you can buy one space and advertise many businesses on it. Not at the same time, but you have the ability to change your ad and URLs anytime you want. You can get exposure to all your biz ops and programs off of the same $15 a month. Now tell me does Google or any of the other search engines offer you this? Again, read to educate yourself.
Be blessed.
And also members like myself are promoting the Kooday business through blogs and other advertisement. So, just as you somehow found out about Kooday whether it was by word of mouth or saw an ad, people are being drawn to the website. I believe also that Kooday plans on doing a press release as well to garner more attention to their search engine. They have also said all along, that it is not their intention to try and take Google’s place. They have sense enough to know that that may be impossible to do. So, that is not their intention. Their intention is to be the most relevant search engine out there that will get advertisers and others the most relevant and effective results possible, when they use the search engine.
Their Alexa ranking is pretty high for a company that just came on the scene 2 months ago. So, they are already headed in the right direction. If you look in Google, Bing or other search engines you will see them high in the rankings. So, I don’t think they are concerned about getting traffic to the site. That is already happening and they already have big advertisers lined up waiting to use and advertise on the site. They are working on a better design as well. Again, BETA is the key word here and it is not the final product.
As I reread your post I find things that I did not address. To clear something up, members are not buying and reselling ad space. We buy and sell keywords, which advertisers will be interested in linking their websites or products to. Kooday sells ad space to either its members or outside advertisers who are interested in placing their products or businesses or services on the website. Traffic is drawn to Kooday through Kooday’s own advertising, as well as members like myself advertising the site. In a way, you are advertising for Kooday with this blog that talks against them. When I did a search, I found your blog site on the 2nd page. So, the more people come here to see what you have to say about Kooday good or bad, the more exposure you are giving them.
So, thanks for all the free advertisement you are giving to a company I’ve invested in. All publicity good or bad drives traffic to Kooday, if for no other reason than for people to check out what it’s all about.
Ladym12 is right. I see Ben is STILL crying miss information about kooday. Well read this carefully ben cause i have something i want you to know. I GOT PAID $600 TODAY FROM ALERT-PAY. WHO PUT $600 IN MY ALERT_PAY ACCOUNT? KOODAY DID!!! Thats right, for all you that are reading this, kooday if for real. I got a bank transfer from alert-pay today for $600 that kooday paid me. I have another $2000 requested thats on its way and will be requesting another $700 tomorrow. So, ifyou think kooday won’t make you money, YOU ARE BADLY AND COSTLY MISTAKEN. On a another note, check out koodays news page. Im on it. People were not believing me when i told them i was the first kooday diamond so i had my upline contact support to verify it. Not only did they verify it, they put in on the kooday news page. It’s not too late to get into kooday and start making some good money. Now is the time to ride this cash cow. Ladym12 is a good koodayer and can help you. Im sure if you contact her for her link, and join under her, she will help you all that she can. And what is buying and selling adspace?? Man you are crazy, first you call it a PPC when there aren’t any ads to click for money, now you saying people buy and sell adspace there? Really? Do you not know how to go research something before you write about it? Doesn’t take long. Don’t really care what you say as long as everyone reads this post, IM GETTING PAID!!!!!!!!!!!
One word: GREED
It seems to me like most of the people responding to this topic just want to make money for themselves. They don’t care if Kooday ever launches a search engine as long as they get paid. They also don’t say how much they have put in only how much they have taken out.
For me, promoting something that might not last, isn’t worth it. My long term reputation is worth more than that. I’m going to be doing online marketing for a LONG time.
Call me as many names as you wish.
Let’s see Kooday start acting like a reputable company, not a company with stuff to hide. Let’s see them actually launch a search engine. Let’s see some of the advertisers (and keywords ARE advertisements first and foremost) start to get some REAL traffic to their web site.
Some guy over at kooday profits at facebook.com is currently contemplating setting up a site that is supposed to make fun of you Benjamin, yes dude, you’re becoming that much popular. Kooday has also mentioned that they’re getting a shitload of critique especially from one guy, and who do you think it is??? You! lol…
You’re making quite a name for yourself and I bet you actually have a kooday account and are now laughing your arse off because you’re getting a boatload of traffic.
I love you! It’s just wonderful, the faked ignorance… I just love it…
By the way, when I become a millionaire I’ll name an Island after you Benjamin, no problem…
and oh yes about that greed thingie… 1% admits to being greedy, 99% lies.
Ok, I am off… seeeeee yaaaa
Definition of Ad Space:
The name speaks for it. Ad space is the positioning that an ad gets on a webpage. It means the placement or the space the advertisement is allotted on that particular website. There are numerous spaces for advertisements on a single website and multiple ads can exist on one single website.
Since a paid keyword is an ad calling it ad space is correct
LMAO , now keywords are ads? What a joke. Oh and by the way, i put $300 in kooday when i first got in. Not a penny more. I just requested $700 more. Thats a total of $3000 profit for a little over 2 months work. As far as being greedy, yes i am. I want all i can get while the getting is good. Kooday may not last, like soo many other online ventures, but if they are paying their members as promised, and people are making money, why down talk them? No business has a guarantee. If you don’t promote anything that won’t last, then how long do you wait before you do start promoting something? Getting in early on a new business is crucial in most cases. No risk, no gain. As far as your long term reputation goes, you are actually doing more harm than good right now. At first, people were skeptical of kooday , and down talking it such as yourself, but now that kooday is paying its members, and making people money, most people are going with the flow. But you keep trashing the site and not giving it a chance when its actually paying members and doing well. You actually think that is helping your reputation? Kooday may not last, then again it may make millionaires out of a lot of people, no one knows yet. What i do know is that kooday is paying me money everyweek, a good bit of money and im enjoying every minute of it.
This is Kooday’s comment on their delayed launch, and Houston, do they ever have a problem. Also, check out the other comments on their site listed below about them not being able to pay refunds from Paypal, and blaming members. Oops…..what’s all this mean…they can’t pay back investors? buyer beware. And who is Mark? I believe he owns a Pizza francise.
Houston … we have a problem” …
Friday Oct 22, 2010Lift-Off Delayed
As is often true of major achievements – “lift-off” is not always necessarily smooth – today Kooday’s launch date experienced a “technical hiccup”.
The significance of this temporary delay is to simply demonstrate yet again Kooday’s commitment to excellence and to it’s members.
Shortly after Koodayers saw the site returned online without any changes – Kooday posted:
“Kooday’s new website will be delayed.
Kooday needs a few more days to get this right. An update will be given late Monday or early Tuesday. The weekend will be used to determine a solution. We are on top of it and there will not be a long delay to get this fixed. In the mean time the site is back as usual.”
In a brief conversation with Mark following the release – his message was clear. Kooday will be moving forward with introducing at the least some of it’s Search Features (i.e. Kooday Instant Page Ranker) at some point next week. Whether all aspects of the intended launch can be implemented simultaneously or whether the implementation will have to occur in stages … regardless which is the case – occur – they will.
When Will I Get My Paypal Refund?
Posted on by PK
QUESTION
When will I get my Paypal refund?
Answer(s)
We appreciate that many of our members have been waiting a considerable time for their Paypal refunds. We regret very much the delays that are being experienced – however – we are working with limitations from a staff perspective.
To date we have finalized just over 65% of the refund requests we have received. We do understand the frustration members are experiencing and are doing all we can to complete all refunds asap.
Part of the delay in completion is being caused by people sending their refunds in 2 and 3 times. This factor has delayed our ability to complete all in a more timely manner.
If you have submitted your refund please do not resend – we will be completing all refunds received within the next couple of weeks.
All I know is that I have made over 2500 dollars with only a 200 dollar investment. I don’t understand why someone would have that much time on there hand to down talk a company unless they are really interested in the company . All these comments are funny, you guys trust jobs more than anything and there the real scams. If you are reading this for the first time and are unsure about Kooday, I promise yoiu that its real. I’m not giving my link to show you that we make money regardles of recruiting or not. I have one person under me and I have a 1.3mil dollar bonus coming
lol is all can say ben
Hey Ben you call us Koodyers greedy! So tell me why would one start a business to make money or jut for the heck of it? You tell me. Yes we are making money with Kooday! so what’s wrong with that?
For your Info I track every advertisement i place no matter where I place it and yes I’m getting some good traffic from Kooday. I’m not here to convince you or anyone else, I’m to busy for all that.
If you whwere a real business man you would stop all the crying and bashing and do your own research. You know in a way you’re get a service provided to you here here in witch you’re not paying for. LOL
Thanks for all the attention you’re giving Kooday, It means my ads will get seen more, oh no I guess I’m being greedy again.
Boy talk about greed, getting you mailing built for free by the very people you’re trashing, real classy. LOL
All the best you and you family Ben!
Many Blessings To you
Happy Holiday’s
Kooday Search Engine
Founding Diamond
Anthony B Palmer
BTW you post here to try and get your ads seen and I just delete your urls.
The issue isn’t making money.
There are a lot of ways to make money. You could sell drugs for example. Or your could go the route of robbing banks.
Kooday is a scam. It is just like someone ripping off old people telling them they need a new driveway or roof. They take a “deposit” and the person disappears. No one ever does the work.
Koody is selling ads that don’t exist. There isn’t a search engine. No one is going to Kooday to search. No one is seeing the ads. The only people seeing the ads are other people who want to buy ads.
It is a scam and is becoming ever more apparent every day.
Thanks Ben, your analysis was the most comprehensible I have read and you have saved me considerable time and money my friend.
Be well and Happy Holidays!
Ken
What about TagVillage Benjamin? Is that a scam too? They also feature buying keywords.
Would like to know what you think about that.